Curse

yasmina · Jan 09, 2007, 07:32 PM // 19:32

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Originally Posted by Titan Chrae

My ten year old daughter asked me to purchase some unopened gifts for her from a guy in Kamadan since she didn't have the money at the time. I was in a hurry and just got the gifts from the guy she pointed out. Turns out she purchased 10 quest items for 1k.

Hard lesson learned for 10 year old. I ended up eating the 1K and then we had a heart to heart conversation about the wicked evil nature of people that scam others.

1k was a small price to pay for a good lesson.

PS. The guy showed no remorse. I screen the conversation I had with him but alas I didn't get a screen of the transaction itself or I would have reported him to ANET.

You know that is sad to have people scamming like this to make a quick buck to bad this is a free mmo and dont know if accounts can be banned, I also feel sorry that a young child was so excited about getting gifts from this guy that you bought to only be in my opinion the true child with the attuitude he took on the situation.

Too many people I have seen over and over again in mmo's try to scam people out of items or gold and sorry to say it will never change.

Sir Skullcrasher · Jan 09, 2007, 07:35 PM // 19:35

I was in LA last night and found out there is two different type of gifts out there. There is Winter Gift, which is for that quest and Wintersday Gift, which give you all those Wintersday collectible items.

Eviance · Jan 09, 2007, 09:40 PM // 21:40

Yeah some items need a rebuff on the way they look. I'm sure I would have been scammed several times over if it weren't for the helpful threads around here. I just don't understand the thief mentality.

Linksys · Jan 09, 2007, 10:23 PM // 22:23

Real presents or not, when I see people selling them, I just tell everyone in local chat that they don't have to buy them. They can still get them with cc shards or running presents in Lions Arch. Some people were still not aware of that.

Mercury Angel · Jan 09, 2007, 10:29 PM // 22:29

Cleaned out a handful of posts replying to flamebaiting, and the trolling itself. If your post is missing from this thread, it was probably removed because of that.

Riceboi · Jan 10, 2007, 05:19 AM // 05:19

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Originally Posted by Pure Disasta

umm dude iam not some 8 yr old with an eye patch get real.

LOL Best line ever!!!

Shadow of Light · Jan 10, 2007, 07:07 AM // 07:07

It shows how dedicated and desperate some scammers are if they spend so much time collecting 250 quest items. o_O Still, for the amount Wintersday gifts are going for, it's not that surprising. :/

I've seen people in Kamadan offering the 'Special' gifts for amusingly high prices (naturally they were advertised as producing rare items when opened). First time I've heard of an entire stack being switched in... thanks for the heads up. I don't buy presents, but it's nice to be aware of these things.

Someone suggested making Quest Items untradable? I can't think why this *wouldn't* be a good idea, offhand... same with customised stuff.

Having the name of all items in the trade window displayed in LARGE LETTERS rather than requiring a mouseover might also help? I know we keep saying 'Be careful! Check and double check your trades!' but anything that can put scammers at a disadvantage should be incorporated, IMO.

Grais · Jan 10, 2007, 07:08 PM // 19:08

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It shows how dedicated and desperate some scammers are if they spend so much time collecting 250 quest items. o_O Still, for the amount Wintersday gifts are going for, it's not that surprising. :/

I was just going to post the same thing. I cant imagine the time it took to collect those 250 presents, in fact the only thing that makes sense is a guild all donating their pressies, so Id look to see what guild he is, and consider the whole group as he.

Deadly Stryphe · Jan 11, 2007, 02:03 AM // 02:03

I unfortunately got scammed tonight. I bought 50 presents for 15k. He flat out had no remorse when I approached him afterwards. I wasn't paying attention, so it's my fault...and I'll learn from it. In the meantime, he thinks he's innocent and will not return my money.

Lesson learned...but i'm still pissed...lol

Terra Xin · Jan 11, 2007, 04:42 AM // 04:42

haha, one of my mates got scammed by one of those guys, he got his guild, and I got a few people from the alliance and we just flooded the guy with "Pay him back!!!"

:P

mr_groovy · Jan 11, 2007, 08:14 AM // 08:14

Next time if you see him and trade him switch ecto's for frozen ecto's :P. Oh no wait even 6 frozen ecto's are worth more then those stupid quest items :S.

Enko · Jan 11, 2007, 08:43 AM // 08:43

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Originally Posted by Shadow of Light

Someone suggested making Quest Items untradable? I can't think why this *wouldn't* be a good idea, offhand... same with customised stuff.

Some people sell quest items so people don't have to do the quest themselves. Jatoro's Letter for the Captured Son quest and Althea's Ashes come to mind. I just think they should do the same thing as customized armors and have a little warning pop up doublechecking.

c_ras · Jan 11, 2007, 03:13 PM // 15:13

I think what everyone needs to realize....if you are in a hurry......don't buy/trade anything. Please take your time. There are a million ways for people to scam someone else and it all leads to one thing....someone gets the shaft and 99.99% it's you! My rule of thumb is is unless it is a guildie, an alliance member, or someone on my friend's list, if I see someone modify a transaction, I don't even deal with them. There are plenty of people out their selling and legitimate sellers so 99.9% of the time I can wait for that item I wanted until another trader comes along.

I have the benefit of having GameCam, so if I am selling/buying something of higher value, before the transaction actually takes place, I politely tell the person that I am using GameCam to video the transaction for the protection of both parties. As a backup, I also take screenshots. This ensures that if something DOES go wrong, I have two forms of proof. But to date......I have not had ANY problems at all with transactions because of this method. My best advice to anyone that wants to buy something is to know EXACTLY what you want BEFORE HAND! It helps to do a little research on the item you want before inquiring about it (what it looks like, the exact full name of the item, what the skin looks like, stats, etc.). This will also ensure you get what you want and don't get a dud or phoney item. But again...take your item when buying. If someone wants to sell an item so bad, they will wait for you to look over the item.

My Sweet Revenga · Jan 11, 2007, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by c_ras

I think what everyone needs to realize....if you are in a hurry......don't buy/trade anything. Please take your time. There are a million ways for people to scam someone else and it all leads to one thing....someone gets the shaft and 99.99% it's you! My rule of thumb is is unless it is a guildie, an alliance member, or someone on my friend's list, if I see someone modify a transaction, I don't even deal with them.

I have the benefit of having GameCam, so if I am selling/buying something of higher value, before the transaction actually takes place, I politely tell the person that I am using GameCam to video the transaction for the protection of both parties. As a backup, I also take screenshots. This ensures that if something DOES go wrong, I have two forms of proof.

Quite true. Probably not a good idea to trade high end goods if you're in a rush. But really, all you have to do is double check what is being offered, and you can't go wrong.

Not trading with a person just because they need to modify the trade window is a kinda iffy policy.... I mean I've had to modify my trade before because I made a mistake in quantities but I myself am a legit trader who made an honest mistake. The buyer took the time to recheck what I offered, and I could tell this because there was a long hesitation before they hit accept. But as a courtesy and a show of honesty, I never hit the accept button unless the other person hits it first.

Almost all scammers I've run into, they hit the accept button with very little hesitation. And why shouldn't they? As if they have anything to lose. They never seem to bother to recheck to make sure both parties haveplaced the right offer. It's kind of a shock and awe tactic where they try to compel you to make the transaction quick. Making you rush the transaction increases the chances you'll make a mistake and go through with the trade without bothering to check that what they are offering is what you were expecting. This impatience is your first clue that they're either incredibly impulsive, or they're trying to get you to act impusilvely and make mistakes.

Both Gamecam and screenshots? Wow that just seems kinda paranoid to me

but you never know I guess.

Sir Skullcrasher · Jan 11, 2007, 08:23 PM // 20:23

I seen too many scammers that goes "I got to go ASAP, hurray up and trade with me and accept" Of course, this would be for items that is worth alot of gold and they usually first put in the right amount and goes, oops my bank is full. Redo the trade with you and put up that line "I got to go now hurray up" and click accept right when you enter trade window.... only to find the amount of gold they're trading or items got changed.

My Sweet Revenga · Jan 11, 2007, 10:13 PM // 22:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by c_ras

I think what everyone needs to realize....if you are in a hurry......don't buy/trade anything. Please take your time. There are a million ways for people to scam someone else and it all leads to one thing....someone gets the shaft and 99.99% it's you! My rule of thumb is is unless it is a guildie, an alliance member, or someone on my friend's list, if I see someone modify a transaction, I don't even deal with them.

I have the benefit of having GameCam, so if I am selling/buying something of higher value, before the transaction actually takes place, I politely tell the person that I am using GameCam to video the transaction for the protection of both parties. As a backup, I also take screenshots. This ensures that if something DOES go wrong, I have two forms of proof.

Quite true. Probably not a good idea to trade high end goods if you're in a rush. But really, all you have to do is double check what is being offered, and you can't go wrong.

Not trading with a person just because they need to modify the trade window is a kinda iffy policy.... I mean I've had to modify my trade before because I made a mistake in quantities but I myself am a legit trader who made an honest mistake. The buyer took the time to recheck what I offered, and I could tell this because there was a long hesitation before they hit accept. But as a courtesy and a show of honesty, I never hit the accept button unless the other person hits it first.

Almost all scammers I've run into, they hit the accept button with very little hesitation. And why shouldn't they? As if they have anything to lose. They never seem to bother to recheck to make sure both parties haveplaced the right offer. It's kind of a shock and awe tactic where they try to compel you to make the transaction quick. Making you rush the transaction increases the chances you'll make a mistake and go through with the trade without bothering to check that what they are offering is what you were expecting. This impatience is your first clue that they're either incredibly impulsive, or they're trying to get you to act impusilvely and make mistakes.

Both Gamecam and screenshots? Wow that just seems kinda paranoid to me

but you never know I guess.

Thargor · Jan 12, 2007, 12:00 AM // 00:00

I wish Anet would use some ingame monitors. Guys that get paid to play and watch for things like this. They would record scams and then have a direct connection to have action taken on the account. (Notice I did not say they had power to ban the account themselves) No hassle with report forms, just straight up justice. I would put in 10-12 hour days doing this for minimum wage. This game would be cleaned up pretty quick if there was actually someone watching and taking action against the scams, over use of foul language, and other common things going on that seem to be not taken care of on anything but the smallest scale.

eloc_jcg · Jan 12, 2007, 12:01 AM // 00:01

Got a name so we can be more warned?

unienaule · Jan 12, 2007, 12:16 AM // 00:16

No names, and this isn't the place to discuss how to raise children.

Sir Skullcrasher · Jan 12, 2007, 12:17 AM // 00:17

I don't remember the name and even if I do, I can't release it here.